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EP 61- Ghost Hunters or Con Artists? The Warren Files Exposed
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The line between paranormal truth and profitable fiction blurs in this deep dive into Ed and Lorraine Warren's controversial legacy. While Hollywood portrays them as heroic demon hunters in blockbusters like The Conjuring, we uncover the troubling reality behind America's most famous paranormal investigators.
From fabricated evidence to sexual abuse allegations, the Warrens' real story proves far more disturbing than their ghost tales. We examine how this husband-wife team built their reputation through questionable methods and compelling storytelling rather than scientific rigor. Former collaborators reveal shocking admissions - including one author who claims Ed Warren instructed him to "use what you can and make the rest up" when documenting their cases.
Beyond the Warren controversy, we explore the fascinating mythology of the Tsitsimeti - terrifying skeletal deities from Aztec cosmology believed to descend during solar eclipses to devour humanity. The episode concludes with the chilling unsolved mystery of the Sodder children, who vanished after a suspicious house fire on Christmas Eve 1945. With missing evidence, thwarted rescue attempts, and possible Mafia connections, this case continues to haunt true crime enthusiasts decades later.
Whether you're a skeptic or believer, this episode challenges you to question not just what lurks in the shadows, but those who claim to protect us from it. The truth, as always, proves more complex and fascinating than fiction. Share your thoughts on these cases with us on Instagram or TikTok @KOSMIC_COVE - we'd love to hear your theories!
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Speaker 3:Strange Warfare. Welcome to the Cosmic Co-Family episode. It's your co-host Yai and my co-host Reverence. That's right, the boy, oh shit.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, we're cutting transmission from Damn. He cut the Xbox on. No, it was my phone.
Speaker 3:I forgot to mute it. I'm professional. Listen, I'm on my part.
Speaker 2:Oh no, you're good bro, it's the boy reverence.
Speaker 3:Ah, ah, ah, Damn it real.
Speaker 2:This is real raw footage, oh fuck.
Speaker 3:Y'all listen to me. That was me pulling it back.
Speaker 2:All right, my fault. Y'all had to send a quick text message real quick. That's right what it do with Cosmic Cove, episode 61?
Speaker 3:Ain't away from the best episode ever, oh Episode 69, we're going to be butt naked.
Speaker 2:It's going to be a special guest episode and they're going to fuck. Stay tuned for the $14.99 episode. But yeah, how you been bro.
Speaker 3:What you been up to, bro, nothing. My time flew by extremely quick. Next thing I knew it was Friday.
Speaker 2:That shit got here quick.
Speaker 3:Quick as hell, robin. We been busy as hell. We just been busy, really, but we got the green light today. Everything look good, everything look amazing, that's all I care about. The checks came through. Nah, we went on two checks today. Everything looked good, everything looked amazing, that's all I care about. The checks came through. No, we went on two checks. One dude answered, but he told me One dude answered he was like it's going to be next week, that's fine. The other dude didn't even answer me. That's fucked up, bro. But you know that's the problem with having the LLC, right? But yeah, bro, nothing, nothing really crazy. I mean, I do got something crazy, but I'm gonna hold off on it um.
Speaker 2:I said because my attorney said I can't talk about it legally.
Speaker 3:I can't talk about it until until both parties have decided the best outcome. Until then I I just can't right now.
Speaker 2:Until the case is finished.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my lawyer's here, by the way. Beanie Baby, what do you have to say for yourself? That's right. Tight, tight, tight, that's right. But yeah, but it's okay. I'll tell you later about that shit, but yeah, nothing really crazy has been going on. I feel like I've been drinking too much, too much Twizzies. I feel like it's been too much so I had to revert back to a classic Got Wamas.
Speaker 2:So I had to tone it down. I had to tone it down a little bit, got them fucking big-ass fucking jugs. That big old freaking bottle of freaking beer. Them 40s, it's like a 45, feel like this shit, big ass, fucking 40. Well, I need to chill out with you. I need to chill out.
Speaker 3:Yo, let me just drink two of these, you know.
Speaker 2:I look like a fucking alcoholic right now Let me draw back a little bit.
Speaker 3:Nah, but we've been drinking like every day, bro, and I just feel like the thing with the twist is I feel like I get too bloated. The thing with the twist is I feel like I get too bloated because, since I can just chug them, I feel like I've just been getting too bloated off of them. So, yeah, I got the Kiwamas. Just calm down a little bit, you feel me? Fun fact, there's three glasses in the Kiwama. Found that out, holy moly, the glass you see right there. Three of those are one Kiwama, three of those.
Speaker 2:Yeah, three of those.
Speaker 3:Four, four, three of those.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that shit is insane.
Speaker 3:Uh-huh, look at him. He's been waiting for him to move away from his street so he went to go get it. Look at him. Look, he thinks there's something left. Look at him. Look at him, he's looking for it too. What happened, buddy? Look at him, because he usually leaves his treats he doesn't eat them all so that he'll go over there and steal them. I know them look at him. He's looking for more.
Speaker 2:That's enough of y'all, y'all relax I was gonna say um, I know that time we went to celebrate my girlfriend's dad's birthday, brad drunk maybe a couple couple beers, maybe like two regular size coronas or three.
Speaker 3:Then my brother-in-law brought like the little ones- I think it was a little one like the coronitas I can't even remember.
Speaker 2:I think they were all right drunk like three of those, two of those, and then I drunk the big ass kawama after the kawama.
Speaker 3:Bro, I was done, I was over like but did you drink it out of the, out of the like the bottle itself? See, I found like, when I'm trying to do that, like it messes up my not messes up my stomach in a bad way, it's just like I get too bloated, I feel like I get too much acid reflex like like coming up. So when I drink it off the cup From the tap type shit, you feel me, you feel me, me just getting the garden hose from outside I went in sucking from the other side Siphoning the beer out the garden hose.
Speaker 3:Pouring it like this oh, goofball over here.
Speaker 2:Until it's fine establish me. So you got a snail on your, on your hose. Have that docity, put it on the coaster and then sludge your drink rough day at the drink spill.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, we run a fine establishment here here, you know I'll tell you what you feel different after. After you wake up and you can't find all the cups and other things the mcdonald's cup from last night. Throw out that sprite, just watch that cup you're good to go it's a different brain.
Speaker 2:You just you're gonna throw it away, regardless, you're gonna throw it away regardless.
Speaker 3:You just read you saving. Throw it away regardless. You're saving the planet really.
Speaker 2:Pretty much.
Speaker 3:You saved the planet right there. You're welcome, all of y'all. Y'all are welcome.
Speaker 2:Life tips with Cosmic Colt. Heard it here first Damn bro, y'all didn't work yesterday then, or y'all just didn't work today.
Speaker 3:No, just today. Yeah, we finished the work.
Speaker 2:Dang. I finally got a break.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm, yeah, so.
Speaker 2:Damn.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we, just, I was just running on the call just to make sure everything was like good and everything but yeah, they called me, told me looks amazing, looks good. You know, did great Usual stuff, usual. I like to hear that you know. Go ahead, answer bro.
Speaker 2:You should answer and put them on podcast. Hello, welcome to cosmic co. You're our first listener.
Speaker 3:No, they called me the other day. I ain't gonna lie. They called me the other day when I was painting, right, so check this out. I was painting and, uh, I left my phone in the chimney. I already painted the whole section right on top of the chimney plus. So they start calling me. Bro, I was like who the fuck is calling me right now? But and I gotta walk through this, through what I just painted, because I'm like first I need, I didn't really need my phone, but I'm like what I thought was whoever's calling me, it's for work, like it's some, some important stuff, right, so I'll walk through what I just painted. You know all the poly and everything. Walk through it. Make it just for it to be some be some spam.
Speaker 3:I about threw my phone at them, bro, me too, bro. I called them back, bro, I called them hey, what the fuck? The list? Y'all got me on. Get me the fuck off of it. Y'all just keep calling me. She said did we call you from this number? I said, yes, stop fucking calling me. Okay, sir, I'm sorry. I this bro. Bro, they have not called me ever since, bro.
Speaker 2:Bro, I need to do that too, bro.
Speaker 3:I'll call them back, bro. That poor lady I'm pretty sure, because they kept calling me from different phone numbers but the same thing kept popping up like the same name. So, poor lady, probably wasn't even the one that called me back, but I was just so like shit, pissed me off. I already finished it bro. I'll call her back, bro. They ain't see that one coming bro. I'll call her back, bro. She didn't even know what to say when she answered bro, I did this.
Speaker 2:I was going to do the same thing, bro, because I had my hands full. Uh-huh. And my phone kept ringing and ringing. I was like damn.
Speaker 2:The phone rang like two, three you then I was like man, fucking stupid spam. I don't know where all these spam calls are, I think there's a thing going on right now where there's like a crackdown they're doing or north carolina's doing something because phone companies or some companies are in trouble for like helping this like phone scam calls or some bullshit, robo. It was some bullshit. I just took a quick look. I really don't remember exactly what was going on. But, bro, I've never gotten so many fucking robot calls, or spam either, bro.
Speaker 3:It's been. It's been a lot lately. This year is when this year has been blowing up my phone.
Speaker 2:Nothing but spam calls.
Speaker 3:The other thing they're doing is that toe thing. Oh yeah, the toe thing, bro. That, by God. My dad with that bro.
Speaker 2:Oh, for real.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and since he's not here right now, he's like hey, did y'all go through this toe? I was like what the fuck Early in the morning that made me up over there Early? He's like did y'all go through here? Like you know, we got to pay. I was like what are you talking about? He's like yeah, it says y'all went through a toll. I was like we ain't even been nowhere near.
Speaker 2:No toll roads nothing like that.
Speaker 3:And he was like well, I got a message. I was like don't even click on that. I was like it's a spam on that. And then my mom had one too.
Speaker 2:I was like that's what Y'all picking on the elderly really Chill Cause they put me like on a Text thread type of thing.
Speaker 3:Oh, they be doing that to me. Yeah, they be Damn.
Speaker 2:And then people be Like sending messages. They be like Shut your dumb ass up.
Speaker 3:I'm about to start Showing my dick pic, but I ain't even gonna. Every time they shit y'all get a dick fit, everybody gonna laugh.
Speaker 2:But listen, that's not the point how the fuck we, how the fuck you, get put in a group chat talking about you. You cross the. That's that, bro. Y'all fucking scammers are so fucking y'all hungry, huh.
Speaker 3:Y'all tired of eating that food from the streets, huh yeah, by opening up that phone, a cyclops gonna be looking at y'all.
Speaker 2:That shit Psychops is crazy.
Speaker 3:Motherfucker gonna be looking at you like the dude from Invincible, the alien from Invincible.
Speaker 2:Oh shit.
Speaker 3:Just staring at you. Oh, okay, I know what you're talking about. They do that guy like telekinesis and stuff, seth Rogen Seth Rogen's the one with the voices. Oh, for real, I didn't even know that I heard that voice, but I was like I heard this before. This is Pineapple Express. I've heard this before.
Speaker 4:Then he laughs, then he laughs, yeah, we laugh. I was like yeah, that's it, seth, what the fuck you doing?
Speaker 2:Damn bro. I guess we're going to go ahead and get it All right, bro All right, everybody.
Speaker 2:Like we said on the previous episode, we had a little bit of heartbreak, a little bit of emotions going on, because when you actually sit down and look at the facts of this thing we're about to talk about, it kind of feels like misleading, you kind of feel betrayed a little bit, maybe a lot a bit. You kind of feel like you kind of feel like you got cheated on, you know, and not in a good way but I was just about saying that's not the type I like and not in a cuckoo, not an attitude too oh shit, no, but um, it's because, like we're gonna talk about ed and lorraine warren, that's what the subject is.
Speaker 2:Everybody's like oh my goodness, but um, those guys, those guys, those guys just like that, bro.
Speaker 3:Look at that, bro, warriors. But they got the ass like blood running through them, bro. Right, look at that. They just look at that. Go for the nuts, go for the nuts. He'd be doing that too. He'd be doing that. Don't tell him, but he'll do it. That's a secret technique.
Speaker 2:But um, what was I gonna say? Yeah, like we're gonna be talking about like the whole controversy behind them or some controversy things. Um, just just like stuff that surfaced about them or like some stuff about, like their whole uh encounters with the paranormal and stuff like that, and I don't mean to disrespect or disrespect or defamate in any way but this is just like stuff that that's out there and we're just bringing it to y'all.
Speaker 3:that's right that it For legal purposes.
Speaker 2:we must say that Because they said they exorcise the demons, but they only exorcise your wallets. I paid to see all your movies just for there to be a bunch of fucking lies. I'm tired of getting lied to. I'm tired of getting lied to. I'm tired of getting no. Ay yo, Start bending. I'm tired of waking up at 4 o'clock in the morning. I'm tired of getting fucking hit.
Speaker 4:There's no breakfast if I get hit I don't want to watch shows hit. I don't want to watch those. I don't want to watch those it'd just be in the corner.
Speaker 2:It's like a clip clip change, it'd just be back there just a full a quick montage. Then it's just back to us like I can't believe that we're lying to ourselves. Oh shit, I can't believe that we're live. Oh shit, cut the cameras, cut the cameras.
Speaker 3:My homie Tessie, like Maury, bro Tessie, all the way to your car he take the whole tripod, not even take the camera off.
Speaker 2:Let them follow me, bro. If I was on the Maury show, I'd run straight to the bathroom and then take a shit. That way they catch it live on tv. I'm upset, oh my god oh my god and then I sit down on the toilet. Just look at the camera. Make the red guy contact with the camera and the lens, not at the cameraman, straight at the lens.
Speaker 3:That that's some shit just dropping at you. You should have. I'm going back in the back. You just hear the boho.
Speaker 2:Jesus Christ, yeah, we on one hun chat. They put something in them little raspados, them freaking snow cones.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, reverend's brought a. They had to kill a tiger for this one.
Speaker 2:Right, we got the tiger blood.
Speaker 3:Tiger blood. You know it tastes straight like tiger blood. It tastes Exactly like it when I went to Africa hunting a tiger.
Speaker 2:that's what it tasted like.
Speaker 3:That's Exactly. Just like it to a T, just like it to a T.
Speaker 2:But I was going to say, just like it to a t just like it to a t.
Speaker 3:But um, I was gonna say um, did you want to start off on this whole? Uh, yeah, because I, yeah, I started off because I got a little. Uh, I started off. Easy, try to give them their facts. I really didn't know much. I mean, apart from the movies, I really didn't know much. Um, you get the information about them what do I have?
Speaker 3:the t for you. Okay, you got the t, I got like some calm shit, so that, okay, works out good. Let me start off. So when daddy loves his mom. No, I'm just playing, all right, all right.
Speaker 2:When two people really love each other, they fuck.
Speaker 3:Guys, chill out, class, chill out, all right. So Ed and Lorraine Warren, we're a husband and wife team, just in case people don't know, cause maybe you know, oh yeah, who is Ed and Lorraine Warren.
Speaker 2:There you go. Maybe sometimes you know People. People might not know.
Speaker 3:You know they might not be tapped in. Let me change this so it'll start flipping.
Speaker 2:You're in good luck, because we're about to. We're about to.
Speaker 3:I'm about to, we're about to, I'm about to chat gpt this and just look it up as I'm going he'll be looking at me doing my notes, all right so ed and lorraine warren were a husband and wife team of paranormal investigators who gained fame for their investigations into alleged hauntings and demonic possessions.
Speaker 3:Ed warren uh, born 1926, 1926 till 2006, was a self-taught demonologist and author, while Lorraine Warren, born 1927 to 2019, was a professed clairvoyant and medium. They were devout Roman Catholics and believed that demonic forces were more likely to possess those who lacked faith. Self-taught is kind of crazy. Self-taught is crazy, that's. We're starting off strong.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying Let me get on YouTube and self-teach myself about demonology.
Speaker 3:Really, all you got to do is just hold your breath for 25 seconds each day, Trust me. So they founded the New England Society for Psychic Research N-E-S-P-R, abbreviated in 1952, one of the oldest ghost hunting groups in New England. They author numerous books on the paranormal and their investigations. The Warrens claim to have investigated over 10,000 cases of paranormal activity during their careers 10,000 cases of paranormal activity during their careers. Some of the most popular cases was the Annabelle doll, which was about a raggedy and doll believed to be possessed by a demonic entity inspiring the films in the Conjuring universe.
Speaker 3:The Perron family haunting the basis for the Conjuring 2013, when a family was terrorized by a malevolent spirit. The Amityville Horror the warrants were involved in the investigation Of the Lutz family experiences In the house with a history of murder Inspiring books and films. And the Enfield Poltergeist the investigative claims of poltergeist Activity in the London home featuring In the Conjuring 2. The Trail of Arne Chayenne Johnson, a court case where demonic possession was used as a defense for murder, and this was inspired in the Conjuring. The Devil Made Me Do it. The Snedeker House Somebody, allegedly. What did he say? The Snedeker? House.
Speaker 3:Somebody allegedly infested with demons and featuring the book in a dark place in the film the Haunting in Connecticut.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's what it was the Haunting in Connecticut, uh-huh yeah.
Speaker 3:So you know their cases had a lot of sway.
Speaker 2:Those were some heavy cases. Those were some heavy cases.
Speaker 3:You know those were some strong cases. I don't know if y'all seen the movie. I am a very big fan of the Warren family in the Conjuring universe. I really like those type of movies. Me too, want to keep going.
Speaker 2:You got it Okay.
Speaker 3:Ed Warren. So a little bit of background on them. Ed Warren, a former police officer and Navy veteran, was a self-proclaimed demonologist. Lorraine Warren was a self-professed clairvoyant and light trans medium who claimed psychic abilities from a young age. Medium who claimed psychic abilities from a young age. The case files have served as the basis for numerous horror films and television series, like I said before, most notably the Conjuring Universe, which features fictionalized accounts of their investigations. They established the Warren's Occult Museum in Monroe, connecticut, which houses a collection of supposedly haunted objects and artifacts from their investigations. The museum was closed to the public in 2019 due to zoning issues, but recently comedian matt riff announced he and elton casti uh purchased the warren's home and museum oh yeah, matt rife did by the, he did by the animal.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he bought the animal and we'll be reopening it to the public for overnight stays.
Speaker 2:What y'all think. Cosmic Cove 50 likes, 50 likes, and we're going to go. No, no, no, no, no. A hundred likes and we'll go. We'll take a camera and everything, and by we I mean y'all.
Speaker 3:I was about to say yeah, following he, following TR On some Hunger Games shit, I mean Yayo and then as tribute I'll take the band Jeroenie.
Speaker 2:I knew it, jeroenie was coming. I knew it, I'll buy y'all some Ray Bans, metaglasses.
Speaker 3:Metaglasses or whatever. I'll do it. For some Metaglasses I ain't even gonna hold it. I L-Tay much, L-Tay much baby you giving me Metaglass Shit.
Speaker 2:What's that? I feel like a top secret agent.
Speaker 3:Shit. I record my whole day. Fuck. You gonna see everything. You gonna be in the bathroom.
Speaker 2:Fuck, Fuck. I see my shit in tres de no cuatro, no cinco de. Watch me hold my glass like that. Make it a little bigger, Dear mother of God. Enhance image. Sharpen image.
Speaker 3:Contrast Enhance times 200. What is that? What the fuck is that? It's a Cyclops eye. Testing, testing, testing, testing. I don't know if it was you or me. It sounded like both of us for a second. Okay, okay, so here's where we start walking into the controversy of stuff. The Warrens' work has faced skepticism and criticism, with some accusing them of exaggerating or fabricating stories for personal gain. Some individuals involved in cases investigated by the Warrens have also questioned the accuracy of the counts. I'm going to give you just a little bit more info of what they used or like. What was their methods of like?
Speaker 2:What they said, they did like to, just a word To investigate.
Speaker 3:To investigate, okay. So I didn't know about this, but Ed would. He would. Uh, when encountering a potential haunted location, ed will often sketch the house. This served a dual purpose first, as means to observe and record the property. Second, as an icebreaker when approaching homeowners hoping to initiate conversations about the alleged paranormal activity.
Speaker 2:Honestly, pretty smart, I mean yeah, that's what he used to do, since he had like a degree. Well, he went to school for arts or some crap like that. That's what he went to school for, so he was like sketch out the house and stuff. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I like that. So, Lorraine, claiming to be clairvoyant and I only say this because this is how it's found online I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 2:You're hearing it from. This is word from this. You're getting it from the how you say you're getting it from the main source this is the tree of knowledge oh, why is eldon sentinel? The all-knowing cosmic code. How the fuck I stopped All-knowing Cosmic Co? How the fuck I stopped this, the all-knowing Cosmic.
Speaker 3:Co, I lost my phone.
Speaker 2:The shit gone. What the fuck Damn? Where did your phone go? I lost my phone.
Speaker 3:Ain't no way Bro, I was just Let me see he does have those pantalones.
Speaker 2:Bro, what Is that? It what you talking about? My big ID, good God.
Speaker 3:Where the fuck did your phone go? Hold on.
Speaker 2:I didn't hear your phone. I did not hear your phone. That shit must have went Right. My fault y'all. We're getting too silly.
Speaker 3:Here at Cosmic Cove. It's a big place, it's a big studio. I lost the vision, alright, so Okay, lawrence Clairvoyance, claiming to be a clairvoyant and light transmedium, will attempt to sense the presence of spirits and gain insight into their nature and intentions. Within the dwelling, the Warrens and their team documented potential paranormal activity through photographs and video recordings, though critics have often questioned the scientific validity and potential for misinterpretations of these materials Valid. They conducted interviews with affected individuals and thoroughly investigated the history of the location, including previous owners and any significant events that might be relevant to the haunting. The Warrens heavily relied on anecdotal accounts and eyewitnesses' testimonies, gathering stories from individuals who claimed to have experienced paranormal phenomena.
Speaker 3:This approach has also been a point of contention with skeptics, who highlight the unreliability of human memory and perception. They often collaborated with professionals like police officers, psychologists and various other experts to gather information and ensure a comprehensive approach to investigations. Honestly, all throughout, you can't. I think that's a very good way of investigating. You're checking off a lot of boxes. I'm going to give you a little bit more, bro, if you don't mind.
Speaker 2:Oh no, you're good Go ahead.
Speaker 3:So A Warren, a self-taught demonologist, views some cases through the lens of demonic influence and possession, seeking to identify and understand malevolent entities. In cases believed to be demonic in nature, they will often recommend religious interventions like house blessings or even exorcisms, with the priest's assistance. Assistance, um so that's basically, that's it for me, as in like the neutral part of, or just telling, saying what, what they did, everything from this point on, just like what other people have claimed they've done, they're in the yeah, the conspiracies and the uh, what is it called?
Speaker 3:like the, they're accused of some stuff. Um, I don't know if you wanted to say some stuff or anything like that no, no, you're good, you're good. All right, so I'm going to get into the controversy. Okay, so there was apparently apparently sexual abuse allegations.
Speaker 2:That's what I was about to get into.
Speaker 3:That's what you want to do. No, you got it. You want me to do it. Okay, okay, I'll just chime in. So okay. So Judith Penny accused Ed Warren of initiating a sexual relationship with her in 1963, when she was 15 years old and he was in his mid-30s.
Speaker 2:Y'all heard it right. Y'all heard it here first from Cosmic Cove. See, this is what I'm saying. They painted them in a light in the movies as a good, nice, sweet little couple. But in reality Darling, my butthole. What's that? We got to do that? Everything seemed nice and beautiful until it wasn't. And then it does like the negative image and then goes back to regular image. But go ahead, bro. What are you saying? We got them mics.
Speaker 3:That's an ocean water right there. Okay, penny lived at the Warren's house for roughly four decades and Lorraine was reportedly aware of the relationship. Was reportedly aware of the relationship, penny claimed that Lorraine persuaded her to have an abortion after she became pregnant with Ed's child, fearing the scandal would ruin their business. The Warren's daughter and son-in-law denied the allegations, saying they never witnessed any such conduct. I'm just letting y'all know what I found. That's it. Some have accused them of fabricating stories or exaggerating events for personal gain. Skeptical investigators like Joe Nickel and Benjamin Radford concluded that the Amityville and Snedeker family hauntings, among others, were invented or hoaxes. I just got more accusations.
Speaker 2:Go ahead.
Speaker 3:The Warrens have been accused of exaggerating the stories and fabricating evidence to support their paranormal claims. They face skepticism and criticism, especially from the New England Skeptical Society NESS, who investigated their methods and concluded they were more focused on protecting their reputation than on scientific advancement. For me, I don't know if y'all know this, I don't know if y'all been present, but we here at cosmic cove we really big on uh, the scientific method of stuff. And so, uh, an author who collaborated with the warrants on the book ray garden accused him of telling him to fabricate details of it haunting for the book, even though he and the warrants knew the case was a hoax. That's big, that's big. Many believe that the warrants' accounts of their investigations were often dramatized and embellished from movies and books, blurring the line between fact and fiction. For example, critics say that the Warren's involvement in the Enfield-Poltergeist case, as depicted in the Conjuring 2, was greatly exaggerated and they may have even arrived at the scene uninvited. That's a big one. I heard that one.
Speaker 2:Apparently they weren't even they didn't even help in that at all. They just showed up. They showed up, took a couple pictures or did what they.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they took pictures and stuff. Yeah, they pretty much showed up Just there and then just left, but you know, who knows, I wasn't there. They admitted via a horror case. A prominent case that warrants investigating has also been widely dismissed as a hoax by critics.
Speaker 2:Investigations and forensic evidence um I saw that someone said they I think it was like uh the ness.
Speaker 3:They were saying something about like they only take, like they only looked at things from like the supernatural aspect they never really tried to find a scientific yeah so like and and I know what you're saying because it's crazy, because in the movie they're depicted as in them trying to find the scientific.
Speaker 2:Because they lied to us straight to our face. Imagine sitting at a hundred no two big eyes movie screen just for them to lie on your face. Look at you eating that popcorn. Lied to.
Speaker 3:Sucking that dick, whoa At the movies.
Speaker 2:That's right, gentlemen, you fricotón fricosario no, but I did see that too, that they said like or like. They said uh, what was it? Uh, because the n-e-s-s um critiqued their work, because it was laughing like we said lacking scientific scientific explanation or evidence or whatever, and that they pretty much just like went off of the supernatural like I said like, for example, like they'd have like photographic errors, like flashes or some shit right right and they'll be like oh, it's a ghost then, and, like you said, they'll do the research about the place.
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh yeah, so somebody got killed here and it'd be like that they would do something like that, would say that that was what they were seeing right there, yeah you know, lorraine would sit there at the dinner table and be like, oh, I'm having a vision, even though it was just her going through. Her clairvoyant spell is what I meant.
Speaker 3:That's why you heard it.
Speaker 2:Who censored me. Put it back in. Editor. Put it back in. But you know you get quirky sometimes like that.
Speaker 3:You know, I can relate to it.
Speaker 2:I can relate to it, sometimes when my stomach hurts. You know I got a little cramp there. You know I tend to get a little crazy.
Speaker 3:I too. When my stomach hurts, I feel the presence.
Speaker 2:My eyes tend to roll back as well sometimes when I'm coming. Yeah, chat yeah, we gotta sue um, oh yeah, like I said, like the pictures, the picture things, because they they had like this thing that was called like three sensitivities. Mm-hmm. Which was like vague psychic feelings that they would say like, oh, I'm getting a sense of a presence here, or I could feel like some bullshit, like that.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying? There's something out here. I feel it Hit the head on the lamp. It's here, it's here. No, it actually happened to me. I ain't gonna lie. Oh, for real. Yeah, where my mom is right now, because I could feel stuff like that and I was like but I was just joking in the sense I was like we pulled up when it was dark and I was like I feel like there's something here. I was just trying to piss off my mom. I walked straight into a like a low hanging lamp that I didn't know was there. Walk straight. I was like god yeah, it's here it hit me, hit me yeah
Speaker 3:but like we were talking about like, like they said they would like submit video evidence or photographic evidence, but it'd just be like dust or a lens flare that that thing that they always uh, they would use uh like like particles and they would consider them orbs, like uh, you know what orbs are, right, like uh. So for people that might not know, orbs they're. Sometimes, when you see a spirit, or like quote unquote, when you're seeing a spirit or like you're trying to get evidence of a spirit, sometimes it won't show up in a photo the way you think it will. The way it will show up is like little orbs of light.
Speaker 3:Kind of like dust particles Like dust particles, yeah, but in their case it was more of a dust particle, not so much as there being an actual like orb of light. That was like going around the place. So yeah, that was one thing, yeah.
Speaker 2:Another thing that people said was because, like the equipment they use, like MF meters or spirit boxes, it has no proven link to detecting spirits is what some people claim. And it's just like not them recording like spirits and it's just like not damn recording like spirits, it's just damn recording anomalies, yeah so they would like because you like, say, for example, you cut on the radio and like you know when you're like in between two stations that's static or that's static, and then you might pick up something real quick and it goes away.
Speaker 2:That's something what they would do like oh, did you hear?
Speaker 3:the spirit said something?
Speaker 2:it'd just be like one word that you managed to hear and they would run off of that.
Speaker 3:That's what. Yeah, that's, that's the big thing. When one person hears it like, sometimes, like and I've done this with my brothers sometimes when I feel something, like when I think heard something, I won't tell them off the gate, I'll wait till they tell me something, I'm like okay, so like what I was hearing and what I was feeling previously, you know, like it validates me because I'm like okay, I'm not the one Because I know about that. Like, if you tell someone a word, that's even for videos, like they'll do them now where they'll have a video and they'll tell you are you hearing frog or dog type? But it's really just what you're reading at that moment.
Speaker 3:That's what you're going to hear, because that's the way your brain is going to perceive it. Your brain is just going to find the similarity and stuff. So if you primed yourself to, oh, I'm going to hear this, then that's what you're going to hear. So if someone's telling you, oh, did you hear that? And then you replay, oh, yeah, of course you're gonna hear it, but it is, and especially in a situation where you're trying to find evidence, you know that's a very tricky uh spot where you can definitely trick someone maybe not intentionally, but you can prod them into thinking what you're hearing is what's going on. They could completely not be the case. It's kind of like the whole what you're hearing is what's going on.
Speaker 2:They could completely not be the case it's kind of like the whole what we say um like the total no, like the whole uh mass hysteria, mass hysteria that's what I meant yeah, because if you, you, you could like a couple people see something. And then one person says oh, I saw it like this.
Speaker 2:Another person like yeah, I saw it just like that but if you were to do it, individually, you would get different versions of it. But if you had one person say it in front of everybody, then they'd be like kind of go off of that same story in a sense.
Speaker 3:That's all. For experience like that, it's always good to have like a control group and it's at least I feel like I was saying that I'm just talking just about stuff that I experienced and kind of know a little bit of it's always good to just, whatever you heard, keep it to yourself, you know, just keep that. That's that's you compare notes at, then like write it down for yourself or like taking the make note of it mentally or physically, and then just at the end of the whole thing because I feel like you could scare, you could scare each other off, like maybe when there's nothing happening at all, like just everybody just uh, hearing the same thing. That's not even, not even. Uh, what's going on.
Speaker 2:Another thing that was kind of like um evidence that they would like over exaggerate the things was when they were writing a book. A co-author of in a dark place, uh garden said that the how do you say snidecker family's accounts didn't quite met the what the what. When he raised this with ed warren, warren allegedly replied use what you can and make the rest up. Make it scary. Crazy. Bar for bar. Come at me if y'all want. I ain't got nothing to my name. Come on me if you want. Come for me.
Speaker 2:Use me how you want. Do with me what you will Free. Use me. Use me how you want. Do with me what you will free. Use me. Tie me up to a bed. I surrender. Tell me the safe word, use the feather, but like we said, like with him, saying that, that just goes to show like, like bro, like if you're really like being legit about it, you want to make sure you're down to. That's what I'm consistent with everything you want.
Speaker 3:To make sure you're um, just making sure everything's lining up correctly it would have gone way better if he was like look, just release what you have and just say we gotta find more.
Speaker 2:Like or you at least say in the movie or in the story.
Speaker 3:It's slightly dramaticized like some, something like that. Yeah, because the movies make it feel like it's like it's all accurate, like it's all um that's hollywood like yeah, that's how they're making it feel. So I feel like if they were like you know just this, you know it's a reenact, they got to work for it. Like what you said dramatized, that will bring way more credibility. Like, okay, you know you go into this movie knowing okay.
Speaker 2:Or like based on true events.
Speaker 3:Based on true events. I think that's what they do use.
Speaker 2:Oh, they do use that, but they use that very loosely. I thought they said based on a true story.
Speaker 3:Oh, do they? Come on, we're going to have to watch the movie, just to see. We're going to have a whole conjuring marathon. But yeah, me personally, I would have like, if I don't find evidence, I just don't find evidence Like that, evidence like like that's, you know, like there's nothing here, like, sorry, there's nothing here, like there's just nothing here, but to to make someone just fabricate, uh, fabricate lies or something like that.
Speaker 2:it's just, it's just so, uh, so dishonest okay, so I I looked at one of the notes and it said cases like the glatzel story inspiring the Conjuring were questioned by family members because Carl Glatzel I think that's how you say his name they sued, claiming that the Warrens concocted a phony story to gain fame.
Speaker 3:Oh shit. Though the suit was eventually dismissed, I don't know why it was dismissed, but they ended up dismissing it, but they were trying to sue Heather Lorraine Warren. Just because they were adding stuff to what happened and stuff.
Speaker 2:They weren't making it to what really happened, that's crazy. Let's see what else they got. That's pretty much all I got.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:Because I know a lot of people were saying that they were like now, this ain't me saying it all right, so that's people that's them. This is the people on the internet, or like, because they have documentaries on all this stuff too like uh I think netflix has a documentary on that. Uh, tale of like the devil made me do it type of thing, I think, they have a documentary on netflix.
Speaker 2:But I know some people were saying that, like we said, like in the movies they depict them as a nice, sweet couple, but people who actually knew them saw them as like liars or uh, how would you say manipulators manipulators.
Speaker 3:I know, I know someone called them like scam artists there you go con artists, con artists, con artists, yeah, con artists that they really just wanted to make money right yeah, of actually helping people
Speaker 2:because, like we said, that's what we thought. Like, if you watch the conjuring movies, you're like, dang, these people actually go out there, they exercise the demons, they get rid of all the evil in the home, the family. But, as we said before, when you actually look into the cases, they really just go there. They just get a painting, go to the person's house saying hey, yo uh, the huss says she feels a presence up in this, up in this crib. Yo, no, diddy, like shit, I gotta, I gotta communicate with the youth because you know, you gotta, you gotta hold that, you gotta hold the retention. Really, you gotta be able to communicate with the whole audience, with all the I ain't gonna lie, but somebody put up, told me that shit that I believe home when the huss know, the huss knows.
Speaker 2:but um, hey, twin, I'm gonna be real with you, I'm going to keep it a stack.
Speaker 3:Hey, y'all say hi to Big G.
Speaker 2:Y'all say hi to Twin.
Speaker 3:Hey, these are sentences never uttered by anybody else.
Speaker 2:He said that word for word, word for word.
Speaker 3:This is a new sentence y'all Twin.
Speaker 2:That shit not vibing right Twizzy, but what was I going to say? They because that's all like we said, that's what they would do. They would go get the paintings and they'd get in your house and be like, yeah, I feel something, take a couple pictures maybe, do like a seance session or something. She says I feel like this happened, this happened. No shit, that shit was in the fucking news.
Speaker 3:man like we said they they did research on, did their research yeah he was falling asleep while saying like with his head up yeah he'll do that, bro.
Speaker 2:Oh man, right there, boy be working hard but, um, like we said, that's that's what they would essentially do and, like I said, the movies would depict them in a different light.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, for me, like, like, yeah, like you're saying, I was like a very big fan.
Speaker 3:I would think the same thing like you know, wow, like you know, these people are like giving their all to like, uh, help these people and stuff like that. But when you start looking into it you're like, okay, well, maybe it's not really all there. And after doing research, it really just seems like they were just there just to build their own business, just to have their own credibility. And, like we said before, they had people lying, there were false farm reports, there were all this stuff. You know not to not to throw shade at what they did or anything Like I'm sure they could have helped people, I'm sure they did their part, but the big cases the ones that at least are movies and stuff like that, like it just doesn't seem like that was the full truth of what actually was going on at the time. It sucks. It sucks because I'm a really big fan. I love the paranormal, I love seeing stuff like that. I know I have countless stories of stuff that actually happened. It's just wild. It's just wild Just learning about someone else it does suck.
Speaker 2:Seeing like I'm not saying you're heroes, but right right just like people that you uh, I wouldn't say held to a high count, but like people that you, I mean, for me it was like, for me it was heroes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for me it was because, like I said from the movie.
Speaker 2:You're like, damn, they do so much for people and everything. But like in the movies there's like literally like the second one.
Speaker 3:She, like the poor lady, had nothing. You know she was struggling with her kids. You know nobody else was believing her. She even don't want to believe herself. You know they made a scene like they. You know they were sent there. You know they, they were asked. You know they, they went there out of their their own good will to help and they stay there. And then you do the research. You find out they weren't. They weren't even invited, like nobody even called them. They just show up, took a couple pictures and did like I'm like damn like what the fuck.
Speaker 2:You know like that shit was not like in the movies.
Speaker 3:That was hey, that was not pee dog, that was.
Speaker 2:That ain't pee activities, right there, you can't yeah, but, like we said, like all that that they did, and then, like we said early, like previously, like the whole allegation with ed warren, um, according to people, uh, having the whole grooming situation with the young girl and the wife, or uh, lorraine warren, knowing about it but claiming she didn't know about it.
Speaker 3:But and I feel like that was that was a more at that time, that was a more common thing too. You know what I'm saying. Like, I feel like I mean I don't know nowadays, but I feel like when you're having someone like take care of your kids, you know, and and that happens, you just kind of got to blow them off and stuff like that. So it's just for me, it's just on the validity level, like it's making me think like damn, this shit probably did happen, like you know, this shit, they probably did go through this or that happened, you know.
Speaker 2:Well, they said that the girl was pregnant, uh-huhhuh, and she made him.
Speaker 3:she made her, yes, I mean uh, lorraine knew about him. Made her according to allegedly.
Speaker 2:Allegedly according to the details and stuff that people said on the internet or the stuff you find on the internet. That's what it says, but I don't know. Y'all let us know what y'all think. I know we hate the um. How would you say this, like, because I'm not trying to dog them I'm not trying either.
Speaker 3:We're trying to like tell the truth we're just trying, yeah, we're just, we're just saying stuff. We're just saying what we found, what online, the research other people have done there you go well shit what um? Huh, yeah, that was weird, but um yeah, that's it, like I said I'm a big fan.
Speaker 3:Um, I like, like, like, yeah, like I looked up to these people like damn, you know it's, it's pretty cool what they're doing, it's amazing work what they're doing and stuff like that, and to find out that's not the whole case, it's, it's a little disheartening, it's a little it's a little sad, it's a little it hurts, you know, because you hold people out at a certain standard or apply, and then just to find out that, uh, it's not what you thought.
Speaker 2:You know I mean, y'all could do your own research too, like if this is your first time hearing about this. You know, it's always good to do your own research, yeah, do a little bit of research yourself and you could see the stuff that they said, or look into the cases they done and everything, and uh, just just see for yourself. Pretty much you know, because we we say one thing, but I'm sure there's like countless other things that are said online about oh but y'all didn't say this, or exactly did you also know that this happened, or well?
Speaker 2:this person said like the whole.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the thing you know, but this is what we saw. This is just like reports that have come to light uh, like we said, the allegations, the whole uh ness, the people who are like the skeptic society or whatever that showed, like you know they said they did this but in reality, you know, they were kind of hoaxing people or fabricating stuff and making it look like it was legit and profiting off of this pretty much. This is what gets me too, because they essentially, like literally, profited all the people who were like haunted or tormented.
Speaker 2:But the part that gets me is yes, they might have been lying, but what about the whole case itself in general?
Speaker 3:that's all I was gonna. I was gonna say that too. It's like what we say here before. Like you know, every, every scary stories that we told here. You know you could believe that it's fake, or like any research that we find it could be fake, but all it takes is just one story that is real. That allows you, like you know well, everything could be possibilities the possibility.
Speaker 3:So it's the same thing with you know, know, as you know, we just we brought back, we brought up the negative on on what happened with them, but and that's just cases that other people are saying you know it wasn't real, but all it takes it is that one case that they actually did help a family, did, um, that something you know, whatever it was, and that and that's a real story, that's a factual story, that's a story that they actually help people. So, even though we bring it up, like you can say, the negative stuff, there is still a lot of positivity that you can find in their work and stuff like that yeah, I mean kind of like we said, they created the whole psychic society thing, which is good because you know it allows people who might actually have a gift to at
Speaker 3:least have like a place to go that that's true community to be a part of, and everything which is a good thing, it's just the? I guess it's. It's a market business, it's a yeah, it's some. It clouds it always. Stuff like this is always, it's always gonna be looked more or it's gonna to over over, overshadow the good stuff, bad stuff overshadow the good stuff. That makes sense. Yeah, so we're not. We're not completely saying that, we're not completely blowing them off or saying they never helped.
Speaker 2:Blowing them off is a crazy sentence, whoa.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know though I don't know how to deal with ghosts.
Speaker 3:You know, each ghost is different.
Speaker 2:No, but y'all let us know what y'all think, let us know what y'all like any interesting facts that y'all may have heard, or any documentaries you've seen, or any videos you've seen, or any details or newspaper clip-ins, videos or anything like that that you've seen, or any videos you've seen, or any details or newspaper clippings, videos or anything like that that you've seen of the warren family or whatever. Uh, let us know if there's any details that we might have missed. Obviously, like we said, there's so much out there, but we're hoping to at least broaden or like to show, like just just show.
Speaker 2:Shine some light on the full picture not just from the movies and stuff, but what people claim or what the reality of how, everything, what's that?
Speaker 3:word, uh, like when you just one-sided. What is it called? Uh bro, I'm losing the word.
Speaker 2:We're not trying to be biased I was gonna say big, we're not trying to be, some fucking piggots over here don't just mess with y'all. No, but yeah, we're not trying to be biased or anything, but it's just yeah like we told y'all before look, even with the paranormal stories, look there's.
Speaker 3:Like I told y'all before, I used to believe everything was paranormal. I'm trying to do better and just find it if it's. If it's a logical solution, there should be a logical solution. Not everything has to be paranormal. If it's fucking paranormal, dog, stop praying. It's paranormal. But if it's not, you know, look at other, look at a scientific method. Look at it like like we were talking about the book. You know you could just say nothing happened, there was nothing in it. But to make somebody else lie and stuff like that, it's just um we don't need to do all that, really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it just sucks. You're making the people who actually do, or? Like people that believe in it do like super not or not see that people actually see supernatural stuff or gifted to like to deal with that stuff like it sucks, because when stuff like this comes to light, it makes them look like they're also hoaxing there you go scamming people.
Speaker 2:Gotta tell the better myself yep, but according to what I've heard from people who've actually dealt with, like people who could see or or or hear things or clairvoyance in a sense or like uh can fortune tell, or future like glance into the future type of thing, like I've had people say like yeah, like they were like word for word, everything they said happened, or yeah everything they told me was true or yep, or if they're able to tell details about someone's life or someone's family and that they've never seen exactly never met, never have named your actually they generally wouldn't name the people.
Speaker 2:They would just describe how the person looks, because they wouldn't go off and name this like uh, do you know the, the young one, or like the chubby one, or the one that always seems to be by himself, and the 10 incher you know, the one that's always in the bathroom for, like I don't know, like a solid, cool, five, three minutes which is a long time. The first one's always a waste. Okay, the first one never counts.
Speaker 3:My stomach used to be hurting. Don't mind your business.
Speaker 2:I'm like Eminem I got to get rid of the first one for it to be able to the first one is just the safety. Y'all can ask Mariah Carey about that. But um, yeah, we're gonna go off into the next subject, I guess.
Speaker 4:But y'all let us know, like we said, y'all let us know what y'all think.
Speaker 2:Y'all can message us at cosmiccove, at K-O-S, m-i-c underscore C-o-v-e, on instagram or on tiktok.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we're gonna head off to the next subject is it all in your mind or could it be real welcome to fear fact or fiction?
Speaker 2:that's right. That's right. How do you say this? Because I never learned this.
Speaker 3:I got you, I got you, I wrote it down too. Okay, yeah, tsitsimeti, tsitsimeti, tsitsimeti Say it again. E in English. Is E right? Like the I? You say E right, tsitsimeti, tsitsimeti, tsitsimeti, right. T-t-m-e-t-t. T-t-m-e-t-t, right there on the top.
Speaker 2:T-t-m-e-t-t yeah, chat, the abbreviation is the word, it's no, no.
Speaker 3:I can try to say this one. I was saying T-T-M-E-T-T. Yeah, I couldn't say the top one, I can only say the bottom one, the abbreviation.
Speaker 2:I guess.
Speaker 3:So, bro, I never learned how to say it T-C-M-E-T-E, t-c-m-e-t-e, that shit about to spawn in. Bro, I don't say that shit. That shit about to spawn in. What the fuck? No, no, no, it can't.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, it can't.
Speaker 3:According to the notes Cause according According to it, we still got a son.
Speaker 2:Right, we still got a son.
Speaker 3:Alright, so shake this out. You want to start off? No, you got it.
Speaker 2:This is the sitzy metzy, as we said, oh clean.
Speaker 3:That's a clean way to say it. What's that? I don't know how to say it. Say that shit clean as fuck. What's that? Go ahead. Say it again, fear isn't all in your mind. Could it be real?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm all for you. I might be. Cut that out. Fiction, oh you don't know what this is hard, literally hard but um, let him know what it is, bro, because I didn't know what it was at first I came across it on a video.
Speaker 3:Good, good, good. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you real quick how I got it.
Speaker 2:Like I was on YouTube and my algorithm is somewhat horror stuff, somewhat of a.
Speaker 3:My shit is the same way right now.
Speaker 2:It's like either gambling videos, or it's like horror videos or like uncanny videos type thing, or it's just like these streamers that I follow.
Speaker 3:Mine right now scary stuff. I'm not getting on youtube past passing the clock, bro, that's just like a knowledge boy just started feeding me straight. Scary shit.
Speaker 2:You good, you good big dog, you good, I mean, you don't watch that shit right there 12 o'clock, what o'clock you're like?
Speaker 3:show me battlefield sex videos.
Speaker 2:Write the fuck down, stop showing me this shit. Just be like an image of, like a window or something or somebody going up the steps and I'm like, yeah, judging from the grain of this video, I already know what's's coming up, so skip.
Speaker 3:Bro, I say skipping videos. I was going to go to my Instagram and be doing the same thing because I be trying to find videos and stuff like that on it. I'm going to try and hit me like a video like that Swipe, swipe, big booty bitch. Yeah, we're going to stay here for a little bit.
Speaker 2:I was about to say bro say brother algorithm be having you worried at night bro, so you'd be like, fuck bro, I gotta, I gotta clear my mind get straight on pornhub.
Speaker 3:How the fuck does that happen? What the fuck? I gotta get rid of these thoughts, man. All right, what when, in fear, beat your meat?
Speaker 2:assert dominance, because the ghost is not gonna attack you if you're hard just look at Taboo.
Speaker 3:Come get it. Come get it All it takes is one touch. Breathe on me, I'm ready. I've had the touch of a woman in years.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, everybody's like yeah, I thought we were going to hear about some scary stuff, but, yeah, let me get off of this. No, but for real, real, for, like I said, it just popped up on my youtube thing.
Speaker 3:Okay, it was talking about, like, some of the scariest uh cryptids in mexico, or according to the origin, like lore and stuff like that, and that was one of them. I was like what the fuck she sent me. I said what the fuck you find this shit for?
Speaker 2:I ain't never heard of this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I never heard about this either. Okay, well, here you go.
Speaker 3:A little bit of information on the Titsimeti Titsimeti. Yeah, there you go. In Aztec mythology, titsimeti refers to a type of celestial deity associated with stars. Titsimeti are typically depicted as skeletal women with features like claws, sharp teeth and eyes at their joints. A skeletal woman with features like claws, sharp teeth and eyes at their joints. They are often shown wearing skirts adorned with skulls and crossbones and necklaces made of human hands and hearts. Tizimethi can create and manipulate darkness, often summoning powerful shadows or eclipses. They can drain life force, inflict cold damage or convert positive energy into negative energy to harm others. In some mythologies, they are tied to celestial events, particularly solar eclipses, solar eclipses, and can influence or even cause them. They are often depicted as strong, physically impulsive creatures with powerful claws and biting attacks, and apparently they are frequently shown to be able to fly oh shit, I didn't know that bro I had when I was looking for these I had to look through like, because they don't really have like a lot a lot of information.
Speaker 3:It's not too much so I just had to keep like going back and I found one that said apparently that can fly. Um, there were particularly feared during solar eclipses, as they were believed to attack the sun, causing it to be obscured. Uh, these beings were also associated with periods of instability in the ethnic world, such as the five unlucky days, uh called nomentemi, and the new fire ceremony marking the beginning of a new cycle. Um, you want to keep going, or you you wanna?
Speaker 2:uh, I'm just gonna do like a quick thing. They essentially had like two roles uh-huh like some people would look at them or they would at one point be like linked with fertility or invoked by midwives and women in labor. But then, on the other hand, they'd be like cosmic threats, like just causing like unstable things or be around during unstable times or something, or, like you said, the five days, the five days, yeah yeah, that was pretty much what I was okay, inject into it.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna give you some more. Um, okay, if sacrifices were not performed to appease them, tizimethi were believed to descend to earth, potentially possessing man and ultimately devouring all living beings. In some interpretations, their descent to earth was seen as a prelude to the destruction of humanity. Tizimethi are tied to the stars, especially those visible around the sun during the solar eclipse. And just just like you said that, despite the terrifying aspects, titimethi also played a complex role in cosmic balance and were associated with fertility. Um, that's all I have in aspects of like you can break like break their information breaking them down.
Speaker 2:For, for the people that don't understand, like the whole sun thing, because they keep talking about a fifth sun, uh, what was it? Uh, sorry, um, I don't know how to write here, because it is like end of the world threats that's essentially what? When the sitsumeti would appear or be associated with was like the end of an era.
Speaker 3:Like something around that sense.
Speaker 2:Which is just like the cumulation, cumulation, fuck, I can't fucking say the word Cumulation.
Speaker 3:That's not even it. Yeah, let me shut the fuck up. That's not even it. I don't even know what he said, it's just like a 52-year-old cycle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like that's how long the cycle is, and they call it the new fire ceremony. So if a sacred fire wasn't rekindled in a sacrifice's chest, they were fated to descend and devour humanity, or the fifth sun would end. So the sun's, like I said, is essentially just like or the fifth sun myth is just like an error an error era sorry, or uh. Uh, how would you say?
Speaker 3:they started with the eclipse. They're like, when they see what's the eclipse, they were thinking that's what they were like they were coming.
Speaker 2:Like like they were gonna bring, they were gonna bring destruction, everything, even though it was just like a natural, natural thing so, like an ass, like aztecs, believed that this was recorded in a codices like the codex chimalpo boca, and then accounts by shah wong shagun.
Speaker 2:I don't know, it's just like recording stuff but it says that the universe has been destroyed and remade four times before oh shit okay so, like I said, each sun represents like a different world era and each era had its own ruling deity or, and then it had like a way that the era okay so, like the first, there was like four previous suns before the fifth sun. So the first there was like four previous sons before the fifth son. So the first son was now we. Oh, oh, oh, oh oh the fourth jaguar four jaguars, what it's called.
Speaker 2:So the ruler was, and the people were giants, and they ended with jaguars devouring the giants, okay, okay. Then the second son was the four wind, and the rule was, and they ended with the great hurricane that destroyed the world survivors transformed in the monkeys.
Speaker 2:The third son was the four rain, or now we, I don't fucking know how to say this but the ruler was like a rain god and it ended because a rain of fire destroyed everything, and then the survivors became turkeys, and then it gets crazy like okay, okay and like the, the fourth son was just like a goddess of water.
Speaker 2:It ended because a massive flood destroyed the world, survivors became, and in the fifth son, our current age, which is four movement, the ruler is the sun god. So, after the destruction of the fourth son, the gods gathered At some place To decide who would become the new son. Two gods volunteered. One of them was a humble, deceased deity, and then the other one was like a proud and wealthy god, and it says that the humble one leapt into a sacred fire, first becoming the sun, and the other one jumped into the fire and became the moon okay, damn.
Speaker 2:So they had love for everything that was happening this is just like crazy deep yeah, deep lore that the Aztecs and stuff believe, kind of like how the Native Americans have their whole beliefs and everything, but it is dope because it's like the reasoning behind what's happening.
Speaker 3:This is their reasoning behind what? Yeah, this is the reasoning.
Speaker 2:Previous people. It wasn't just us. It was people that turned into turkeys.
Speaker 3:It makes sense in my book. It sense hold on bro.
Speaker 2:Oh, go ahead, go ahead. You got it, bro. It's just crazy stuff, though. Oh, you're good, you're good. So we're back, y'all. But and nor like for this, like for the sitz to be connected with. All of this is because that when the fifth sun dies, um, it says the prophecy is when the fifth sun will end in the fifth sun will end in earthquakes, when the earth collapses and the sky falls. This is why it's called for movement. Movement meaning earthquakes and cosmic upheaval. Um, they're tied to it because at the end of the fifth sun, when the sun dies, either at the end of the 52 year, 52 year calendar cycle, if the sacred fire falls, or the ultimate prophesized destruction, they said to descend from the heavens to devour humanity. So, like I said, solar eclipses were seen as rehearsal moments for the apocalypse and the sun's light vanishes and the star demons, or like the Sitsimeti, have their chance to strike. So that's essentially just pretty much like the end of the world type of thing, like their world, yeah, yeah, like the apocalypse, so the same.
Speaker 3:Funny. You say that we're apocalypse. You know, for the movie Apocalypto they uh, the one they were trying to prevent from coming um like to the one they were trying to prevent from coming like to bring down destruction, was when the eclipse happened.
Speaker 2:Oh shit it was huh Damn.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they were trying to like. That's why they were like okay, it's a peace, because I got some of the like the sacrifices that they like or the rituals that they would do to appease them in a sense, or like to ask them for stuff and stuff like that. But it's crazy, like it's crazy. It's crazy, but like it has its own place, it has its own, it makes its own sense, like it.
Speaker 3:I guess if you were around for that stuff in that time, it made sense like yeah I mean, what else you gonna do, honestly, like at the time, like you're just trying to like humans I feel like they're just always trying to find reason, reason to the madness. Honestly, like it would just that that would make sense at the time. You know everybody rolling with it, like nobody gonna question it because it's it's working. You know in their eyes it was working. You know they would do the sacrifices I was about to say the clips will leave.
Speaker 3:You know like it, without knowing that the clips was just gonna happen just for a little bit and then disappear, you know and if you did question it a lot, you were going to be the next sacrifice.
Speaker 2:Good luck.
Speaker 3:Good luck, speak up, motherfucker. I tell you, I double dog. Dare you Go ahead, take his heart out, go ahead. Why are you still alive? I don't know.
Speaker 2:That shit is crazy, bro, but I I don't know, like just it's, it's, it's crazy to think that this is this is how the people used to live back in the day, like the way the native people of the land believe things, or how things worked at the time I mean, yeah it, it's crazy.
Speaker 3:Now you know from from from a different point of view from the outside, from the outside looking at it.
Speaker 2:Yes, I said they kill them all At the top of the damn temple's. Talking about some sun guy, bring me rain type shit For them.
Speaker 3:They would see the results, they would. You know, we sacrificed 20 people today and it rains tomorrow. Shit, tomorrow, we're going to sacrifice fucking 25. It's going to rain, you know. And then, when it don't rain, well, 25 is not cutting it, we're going to have to sacrifice 100. Like you can't. I mean, the logic is somewhere. Yeah, the logic is somewhere. The math is somehow math-ing. I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 2:I just, yeah, it's hard to understand the thought process behind it but, like we said, you know it's different when you're around. That in that time cause they were seeing the results- they were seeing the results.
Speaker 3:That's the results they were thinking cause. Now try to sacrifice 25 motherfuckers and then straight to jail. You feel me Like where the fuck my rain at, motherfucker? We're in the dry season right now. Fuck you doing.
Speaker 2:That ritual lied to me. Oh, what is the ritual? Oh yeah, I got you, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 3:So there was the tying together of the years. This vital ceremony occurred at the end of each 52-year cycle. The other thing was, the 52-year cycle was one Aztec century. You know how for us, a century is 100 years, for them it was 52. That was a century. So all hearth fires across the Aztec world were extinguished, save for one sacred flame. Ain't no way. Hold on. Yeah, someone pull up. Give me a second, bro, my bad.
Speaker 2:Damn, my fucking mic keeps cutting out. I think it's my cable Testing one, two, three, you good. No, I think it's my cable Testing One, two, three, you good.
Speaker 3:There's always a 12-gauge with Dragon Breath rounds loaded up in the back of the couch but we just want to make sure, okay, okay, um, okay, so, uh, yeah, so they were all, all hearth fires across the aztec world were extinguished, save for one sacred flame.
Speaker 3:Um. Now the new fire ceremony. If a new fire could be successfully ignited from the long surviving flame, it symbolized the renewal of the world and the postponement of the tzitzime's arrival. However, if the fire could not be started, it was believed the world would plunge into permanent darkness and that tzitzime would, uh would descend to devour humankind.
Speaker 3:Um, so some of the sacrifices that would, that was like a ritual, you know, but sacrifices, while the specifics remain a subject of debate among historians, it's important to recognize that human and other forms of sacrifice were an integral part of ethnic religious life, aimed at honoring the gods and maintaining the cosmic order. Some accounts mention sacrifices specifically to prevent the tisimmeh from devastating humanity. For example, the need to start a fire in the empty chest cavity of a sacrificed human at the end of the 52 year cycle was part of the ritual to avert the descent of the tzimmeh. Uh. Some of the strategies they used to, you could say, like to avoid it was.
Speaker 3:The Aztecs also had practical guidelines for avoiding the Titsime Stay indoors during the dry season, as these creatures were believed to be less active during these months. Avoid traveling at night and be wary during eclipses and raining periods, as the Titsime were particularly dangerous during these times. Be extra cautious around children, as they were believed to be particularly vulnerable to the Titsime were particularly dangerous during these times. Be extra cautious around children, as they were believed to be particularly vulnerable to the Tsitsime attacks. So leave your kids at home, go to your other house, don't go out at night type shit.
Speaker 2:That's all.
Speaker 3:That's all you had to do. That's all you had to do. That's all you had to do. But yeah, that was basically it. For what the fuck? That was basically it for what they would do.
Speaker 2:They would just give sacrifices, just sacrifices.
Speaker 3:Like I said, they don't precisely know that.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what they did.
Speaker 3:Exactly what they did, but they know like it was common, it was common. Yeah, there you go, but practice Lighting the. It was common, it was common yeah, there you go, but lighting the fire in someone's chest cavity was insane. That was a little insane for me. I took these notes and reading them back.
Speaker 2:That shit sounds crazy, but y'all let us know that's it.
Speaker 3:That's all you got.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's all I got. I tried looking for accounts or any stories from like what they could see, or whatever you want to call it, like the like during the era.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're in the era or whatever you want to call it, but I couldn't find I couldn't find anything either if anything it just talked about, like writings of yeah, when I when I talked in stories, they just gave me more information on. Uh.
Speaker 2:That's how I found the one about the flying, like how they fly yeah, that's um, I couldn't find the word like, like uh tails, or something like that yeah, because, like I said, I saw it on youtube and it was talking about some cosmic horror thing. I was like dang, these things sound legit and it was kind of like on the fly and then when I started looking at it I was like fuck, there's not enough shit about this thing. But I mean, sometimes you just gotta you need something to talk about and this is what we this is what I picked.
Speaker 2:I liked it honestly, because I mean I mean it gives a brief history of what life was like.
Speaker 3:Uh-huh, it gives yes, a little bit of an insight of you know what's what was going through their minds, what they were their beliefs, their beliefs and everything you know a little bit of a history, lesson a little bit, a little bit. It's gonna be on the next episode. There's gonna be on the test tomorrow, I mean next episode.
Speaker 2:But, um, y'all let us know what y'all think, let us know if y'all have any information about the sitz and metzi or if your family has any history or knowledge about it, because I know like some families are pretty big, kind of like in the sense of natives, like they pass down stories and stuff like that that's the other thing.
Speaker 3:I saw that there's a lot of variations to like. Not even historians have like a like uh, this, it was just this, like a lot of like. They still are debating on whether, uh, what one family said, in a sense, you know, to what another family said, to what other people said. I found.
Speaker 3:There were other stuff where different links were given different answers, but I feel like they're also. They got them in the game or something like that, because that's what I feel like I was getting the. There was a point where I was getting the information and I was like wait a minute. This is like like this, where I was getting the formation and I was like wait a minute, this is for a game.
Speaker 2:I think it was for Dungeons and Dragons type of game Because it appears in pop culture. They were on a Victor and Valentino cartoon from Cartoon Network. I think it's like a Mexican cartoon. It takes place in Mexico, but it's like American cartoon or whatever they appeared in that.
Speaker 3:Dungeons game or whatever.
Speaker 2:They appeared in I game or whatever they appeared in, I think, scooby-doo episode or some crap like that and then they appeared in some other stuff in pop culture.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think I seen like this by. Like I think I've seen before, I just don't remember precisely what it is. But yeah, I didn't know anything about them. But just reading up on it, like I said, just after finding I was like I was about to give you, I was about to give you. I was about to give you like yeah, they do like 55 damage if you're killed in that 20. But I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute.
Speaker 3:This isn't real life, but yeah. So I mean, there's stuff out there, there's, you know, information on everything.
Speaker 2:I guess if we got to rate this on a scale of 1 to 10, I mean, there's not really much true stuff that happens It'd probably be a zero for me.
Speaker 3:But if it was to actually happen, it'd probably be like a 10 or 9. Like if you're telling me every time there's an eclipse there's stuff that's flying around finding the eclipse you feel me.
Speaker 2:But there's no like, yeah, finding the eclipse, you feel me, but it's him but. But there's no like, yeah, this is just no evidence.
Speaker 3:What you consider folks all right yeah folklore folklore, folklore. There you go, yeah, so yeah, I'm on the same page with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'd be a zero for me yeah, but I mean it's pretty cool stuff it's cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's cool, history and everything it's pretty cool topic pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Uh, I guess cryptid or celestial being that yeah, yeah they used to believe and back in the day and everything it's pretty cool, like yeah, I like it, I like the topic I hate that there was like no more like this account, yeah because you know, most stuff have a story like, like the greek gods and everything. They all have origin stories like he became this, because he was made from. He came from Zeus because, you know, zeus had all them damn fucking kids and everything and for this one.
Speaker 3:There's just it was just a new start to a new world, and it's just how to appease it, how not to get hurt by it, and what the sacrifices you had to do.
Speaker 2:Really, um, yeah, I mean, there's nothing more we could do, honestly, there's, we did our job I mean, if y'all want to look up, look up the stuff, do some deeper uh research and everything I mean by all means. I mean if it hopefully like um, I wouldn't say broadening your knowledge, but uh, made you curious and you actually go look it up yourself, or go, look at the trees and everything yeah, because, like I said, the gods that people believed in is pretty cool. Like we said, the greeks had, you know, their god.
Speaker 3:It's this damn cable, my fault, y'all I'm about to the market but, like we said, the greeks had like their gods, the romans had their gods, the norse had their gods, the aztec had their gods, the chinese had their gods I feel, like the essex, it wasn't so much as gods, but it was more of a deity, deities and because they had their gods, like kukulkan and stuff like that, you know chalk, you know, um, I feel like these were just like you said. They were just like their cryptids, in a sense, like just stuff that they I don't even think they had full proof, but it was just like what everybody was doing at the time.
Speaker 2:So, but yeah, y'all let us know what y'all think, though Let us know, like I said before, if y'all have any stories or any historians out there that may know something about this stuff. Message at CosmicCove, at K-O-S-M-I-C-C-O-V-E, on Instagram or on TikTok, but let's go off and head on to the final subject.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, 2,000 years later, Bow, bow, bow, bow, Chico, oh well.
Speaker 2:So yeah, you know, yeah, let the people know I ain't doing no research this one was actually pretty crazy.
Speaker 3:It was good.
Speaker 2:I heard about this cause. At first, when I heard about it, I was like dang, that's insane. And then, when I started looking to it, I was like wait a minute, I feel like we listen to a. I've listened to a podcast. That's why we drink uh-huh, fuck, fucking piece of shit.
Speaker 3:Microphone I'm going to mark that one, bro. So we don't because we, we.
Speaker 2:I like listening to their podcast I haven't listened to in a minute now but I like I just recently started.
Speaker 3:I like let my episodes uh, stack up. Yeah, um, but yeah, like you said that ass, I was like like, um, I didn't know who it was at first, but as I kept doing the research, I was like I feel like I've heard this one and I feel like they're the ones to to have covered it. So hopefully we do it justice. Hopefully I honestly try my best on doing as much research on this one as uh as possible, because it is a really interesting.
Speaker 2:Oh, I just listened to their episode and went off their research. I just copied that shit word for word. I just copied Em's notes. So if y'all want to get mad at me, get mad at Em. I'm going to spit in bar for bar or it's probably Christine. It's Christine's, it's Christine's, it's Christine's. Y'all want to get mad at me, get mad at them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they uh.
Speaker 2:I'm just going bar for bar.
Speaker 3:If we miss something, it's because I didn't copy what they say correctly. Did you want me?
Speaker 2:to start.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead All right, so we're going to be covering the the solder. It's a disorder, right? Correct? Solder children case. A solder children case. So the solder children disappearance refers to the mysterious case of five children who went missing after fire destroyed their home in fayetteville, west virginia, on christmas eve 1945. The parents, george and jenny solder, believed their children survived the fire and were kidnapped, despite the official finding that were that the fire was accidental. Uh, and the children perished.
Speaker 3:Okay, so do you just interject whenever you want to like, because I got like in this I I just got in the whole story format, since like from beginning to end, like yeah, types of yeah so just let me know whenever you would just uh we're gonna start off with the victims first uh say who the victims were or how you gonna do no so the way I started was like their how their day went, what happened throughout the day, and then the fire, and then how the parents kept looking for them and all the evidence and everything that. So, yeah, I'm just gonna say, like the victim, yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah, give them the background. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna cover who the victims were. Like we said the victims were like five missing children or desoldered children. Uh, one of them was maurice, who was 14 years old, martha, who was 12, uh, lois, who was nine, uh, jenny, who was eight, I think that's how you say it, and betty, who was five, and that was just letting them know. Yeah, you just let them know. Yeah, yeah, because I think that's how you say it, and betty, who was five, and that was just letting them know yeah yeah, yeah, yeah because, I guess that, but it's like, yeah, like way down the line, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah. But yeah, you go ahead and talk about what happened.
Speaker 3:Okay, to lay out the background, uh, uh, george sauter was rugged, hard-working family man who had left his hometown of georgio, soto and tula I hope I'm saying that right uh, sardinia, uh, to move to the land of dreams big usa, big usa, big usa, uh. When he was only 13, the quaint town of fayetteville was host to immigrants from multiple European nationalities who had immigrated after or during the World War II. The most abundant crowd was the Italian descent, as was George Sauter himself and later his wife, jenny Cipriani, who was a small-time shop owner's daughter. They went on to marry and have a thriving, lovely family of 12. George, jenny and their 10 children, the eldest of whom was named John and age 23, and the youngest was Sylvia, a little girl age two. Okay, so this is what happened the day before the fire. So Marion, their oldest daughter, bought home gifts for all her young siblings from the money she had saved doing her job. The delighted children begged to stay up and, in accordance with the happy occasion, jenny, the mom felt no harm in doing so, as long as they fed the chickens and the cows and made sure to clean up.
Speaker 3:Okay, so she, the mom, woke up at about 12 30 am to attend to a late night call and heard the voice of a woman who asked for a person she was not familiar with. In the background she could hear the loud clinking of glasses, as if a party, and Rokas and their Rokas raucous laughter. She apologized and told her that it was probably a wrong number, receiving a quote unquote weird laugh in return. Bemused, she noticed the curtains weren't drawn and sorry, she noticed the curtains weren't drawn and the lights still on. Maria slept on the sofa and, assuming that the young, the young kids, were back in beds in their rooms, she made a mental note to chide them for, for leaving the lights on. Uh. So I looked at what chide means. He just means, like, scold them, you know, just get onto them for not leaving the lights on.
Speaker 3:However, they usually did make sure to do so with the sense of a niece. She returned to bed so off the bat, just just to make sure everybody, you know, understanding it, they would usually clean up after themselves. This time they they had it okay. So it was one in the morning when jenny heard a loud crash from the roof, but, ignoring it, went back to sleep. Just half an hour later she awoke to smoke filling up the rooms and witnessed the room George used as his office on fire around the fuse box and telephone. George, jenny and the eldest children, john Marion, george Jr and the youngest daughter, sylvia, rushed out shouting for the other five children to rush downstairs, yet they heard no reply. All the efforts to aid the children seem to be getting nowhere. This is very important. All right, check this out.
Speaker 2:I saw this one, that shit's crazy.
Speaker 3:Okay, so we got a list. We got a list here. Guys, okay, so remember, they're trying to help their family. Guys, okay, so remember, they're trying to help their, you know their, their family.
Speaker 3:Number one george's cold storage trucks refused to start, despite having worked perfectly fine in the morning when he took them out for work. Two the ladder for the house was not in its usual space and, despite george and john's frantic searching, seemed to have disappeared. Three a water barrel nearby was frozen, solid and of no use for marion rushed to the neighbors to call the fire department for uh, for fayetteville, which was only two and a half miles away from their home. The fire department is two and a half miles away from their home, yet it did not connect. The neighbor then called out to a motorist drawing past to try to do so, who tried to call the department from a phone at the tavern, yet received no response. Then they managed to drive to the fire chief, fj Morris, and alert him, but he surprisingly said, and I'll quote we are low on manpower due to Christmas. I do not know how to drive the truck. This is the chief.
Speaker 2:Insane, chief Insane.
Speaker 3:Chief Okay.
Speaker 2:How the fuck you the chief and don't know how to drive the, how you don't know how to drive the boat, Cal.
Speaker 3:Right. Shockingly, the fire department did not reach until seven, did not reach out until seven hours later, the next day. Okay. Over the course of the next hours, the family watched their house come down crumbling and speculated. The five children had perished in the fire. That was until the firefighters responded, one of whom, jen, was jenny's brother. He tried to console her and told her that they had found absolutely no remains, which was quite peculiar. On a medical basis, according to several researchers, complete cremation is not possible unless there is a level of physical handling. But contradicting sources also state that the fire burned forling of the crime scene. It is at last in possibilities that the bones were lost or buried too deep to have been extracted without proper excavation measures. I doubt it. Want me to keep going. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Well would you cover why this happened, why the whole fire happened?
Speaker 3:Like the theory of like yeah, you, if you want to oh no, no, you go ahead.
Speaker 2:I just wanted to make sure you I'll cover it to like later because that's a lot okay, okay, okay. So no, you're good.
Speaker 3:So after four days, george and his wife could not bear the sight of their burnt house, so he bulldozed dirt over the site of tragedy with the intention of converting it to a memorial garden for the lost children. Okay, so the next day local inquest found that there was no foul play involved and the fire had occurred due to faulty wiring. The five children named, maurice 14, martha 12, lois 9, jenny 8, betty 5, were officially declared dead on December 30, 1945. Okay, so the family started questioning the official reports, stating that, stating many of their suspicions and suspects, they were aided by private investigator CeCe Tinsley in their shadow, cece, in their tumultuous journey towards finding out the truth and justice. Okay, in their tumultuous journey towards finding out the truth and justice. Okay, so one of the first theories was definitely that foul play was involved. If caused by an electrical problem, why had the family's Christmas lights stay lit up? In the early mornings of the fire, the missing ladder was found hidden under an embankment 23 meters away from the Sauter residence that for me already off the top.
Speaker 3:That's foul play right there. That already off the top Off the top.
Speaker 2:You feel me Pre-meditated, exactly Pre-meditated, yep.
Speaker 3:Yep, okay. Not only that, they found the telephone line had been meticulously cut instead of burned, as they had initially believed.
Speaker 4:I'm not a cop, I'm not a cop, I'm not a detective, you feel me, and that's almost as crazy as jet fuel melting steel beams.
Speaker 2:That's almost as crazy. That's almost as crazy as that, okay.
Speaker 3:She got my hands. Wait, hold on, all right. Danny found an account Of a similar fire that broke out Around the same time and had taken Away the life Of a family of seven. Remains Were found. So okay, just to make sure Everybody Like understand Basically the same situation. Remains were found On that scene, despite the fire Having lasted the same duration as the one In the solder home. There were still Like that scene, despite the fire having lasted the same duration as the one in the solder home. There was still about. There was still like remains. An employee at the local morgue confirmed this, talking about how the fire could have never been enough to remove every trace of children.
Speaker 3:The truck failure was also a mystery, however. In an interview to charleston Gazette Mail in 2013, one of George's sons-in-law studied that they may have flooded the engine while trying to start in the heist. That's his son-in-law. I don't know. He wasn't even there. So I'm not. You feel me, I'm not saying anything. They could have flooded the engine, maybe, but you wasn't even there. Me personally, I wouldn't even be commenting on that. That's his son-in-law. That's his son-in-law. That's not his son, that's his son-in-law.
Speaker 3:Okay, morris is said to have buried a beef liver in the box to act as proof of remains in the box. To act as proof of remains in an attempt to placate, like, calm down, the family and deter them from further search, as he was worried. So there was plenty, like okay. So okay, let me continue. He confessed to this when he was confronted by George.
Speaker 3:Adding to the worry, the young Sylvia later also found something resembling a napalm pineapple bomb in the ashes. Um, now I got this. This has never been confirmed to have been a pineapple bomb, a hand grenade or something else entirely, but they did find something. They did find something resembling a bomb, uh, okay. So from that, from the fake you know the fake liver to the quote-unquote bomb, now we get two suspects from this, okay. So a few months ago, an insurance salesman named hash sorry, uh, a few months ago, an insurance salesman has shown up at the Sauter residence but was politely rebuffed by George. He grew agitated in response and gave a chilling warning your goddamn house OK, quote, your goddamn house is going up in smoke, he warned, and your children are going to be destroyed. You are going to be paid for the dirty remarks you have been making about Mussolini. Okay, george was indeed very open about his disdain for the fascist dictator, which had inevitably okay. Y'all know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2:Inevitably.
Speaker 3:Inevitably Anemone Say. Anemone had left some heart feelings and predominantly is telling the immigrant community he did not take the threat seriously. They also found out that the man had been in fact on the inquest jury that looked into their houses burning. His name has not been confirmed to date and several links as to whom he could have been, who could to, as to whom he could have been, exist yet without certainty. So we don't know who this guy is a ghost.
Speaker 3:We don't know who he is, but it's crazy that he was actually on like part of the part of the agent 47 right, he was part of it. Okay, so okay number two man right, yeah, agent 47.
Speaker 2:That's right, yeah, yeah that's it, man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, okay. So next was the man who cut off the telephone lines at the sawdust. This is wild for me. Check this out. Someone witnessed him taking away a boat and tackle used to remove car engines during the fire. He admitted to the theft but answered that he had no part in starting the fire. He had just wanted to cut off the power lines but instead clip the telephone line. He was let free and no records existed identifying him or questioning why he wanted to cut the lines to steal a boat and tackle a boat. Yeah, boats, not both. My phone, a boat. So he admitted to it. There's witnesses saying that he did it. They didn't even bother questioning him but like they know, he was there, cutting lines, okay.
Speaker 3:So there's a third theory, which has never been proven, is merely a thought. It's one hinting at George's possible altercation with the Sicilian mafia which started back in Italy. He had never evaluated or talked about his reason to move to the usa in 1908. Many speculated he had a problem with them, which led to them taking their revenge in his manner, in this manner, and kidnapping the five children he had refused to be swayed into their legion or allow himself to be extorted by them. It, uh, it has often been dismissed, since George was only 13 when he moved to the United States. Okay, do you want me to keep going?
Speaker 2:That's a motherfucking. You come to me on my daughter's wedding type shit. That's some good shit right there.
Speaker 3:I do exactly what you were doing. That's what you said.
Speaker 2:And you come to ask for a favor. No the one I'm imagining is the one from Zootopia. Oh yeah, what is it? A? Mole.
Speaker 3:Is it a mole? Yeah, it's a mole. That shit is killing me.
Speaker 4:All right Want me to keep going. Yeah, you got it. Okay, all right, want me to keep going.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you got it. Okay, all right, all right. So the family did not give up and in 1949, did another excavation that returned with a few bone fragments, but those were found to be the vertebrae and most likely come from the dirt that George had bulldozed over the site by a Washington DC pathologist pathologist pathologist named Oscar B Hunter. Later, tinsley supposedly confirmed that the bone fragments had come from a cemetery in Mount Hope but could not explain how they came to be at the fire site. For me again, that is foul play. I feel like they just threw that in there, just to try to like, just you know.
Speaker 2:Say they found something. Exactly, it had nothing to do with it. Exactly.
Speaker 3:Okay, so there were several reports of signings, but all of them proved to either be false leads or unfruitful endeavors that led George as far as Texas, charleston, florida and Missouri. One of the main leads were from a woman named ida crushfield, who ran the charleston hotel, claiming to have seen the children a week after the disappearance in their hotel, accompanied by people of uh quote italian extraction. Uh, this lead is not considered eligible for credibility and for me that is fucked up. When families going through this and for you to call them and be like, oh, I saw them, like yeah, that's fucked up, that's just fucked up. That's fucked up, bro, that's fucked up. Um, okay, so they found the most credible evidence in 1967. Almost 20 years later, one day, janie found a letter addressed to her, postmarked Kentucky, with no return address. Inside was a picture of a young man of around 30, with features strongly resembling Louis Louis.
Speaker 2:Is it a boy or a girl?
Speaker 3:It's a boy, I think. Oh, I said Lois bro, I said Lois too yeah, louise, bro, it's Louise.
Speaker 2:I forget, I forget. They didn't tell me, they didn't tell me.
Speaker 3:I forgot that. Yeah, my fault.
Speaker 2:My fault, Gangie.
Speaker 4:I just knew the names. I didn't know what they were.
Speaker 3:Mellow female. It was accompanied by a letter stating love Luis Sauter. I love brother Frankie. This is, however, no proof as to who this young man was, and the Sauter family was never able to attract him, despite repeated attempts. It is often thought of as a cruel joke on the Grimm family, yet the Sauter family considered it their most promising lead. George Sauter died in 1969. Janney passed away in 1989. Sylvia sauter, the youngest of the sauter children, passed away in april 2021.
Speaker 3:Damn she. She believed that her siblings did not perish in that fire. She continued to contest for this, as do the sauer families and grandchildren. Uh, this case remains long unsolved and, seeing the circumstances as a lack of proper handling by the legal and justice departments at the time, it may as well continue to stay unsolved. That's all I have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3:That is.
Speaker 2:Let me see if I have anything.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's crazy, that is Let me see if I have anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my phone. Well, about the bones, because I know some people are going to have questions about the bones.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, about the bones.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, Because experts said that if you wanted to cremate the bones because I know some people are like, well, it was a fire and the bones would definitely be cremated, and no, you need at least a constant heat of 2000 fahrenheit. Is what the scientists or whatever you want to call it, the people, the experts, say you need at least a constant heat of 2000 uh fahrenheit degrees, whatever you want to say, for the bones to actually be produced into like ash or whatever, to actually yeah, to actually yeah.
Speaker 3:But not only that, but there was a whole nother family, that kind of like, went through the same thing and they found the bones like, like, was. Did that for me automatically like, like, whatever. Whatever your theory is saying that, no, the bones got burned in the fire. No, they're automatically out the window. It burned for the same amount of time. It was the same type of fire. It was just a house fire. Unless you added something else to the fire, I don't see how it would burn up. It would turn bones into ash.
Speaker 2:I saw there was a couple eyewitnesses report after the fire. Okay, so people claim to have seen the solder children alive. So there was like a bus driver on christmas night. He reported seeing people throwing fireballs at the solder house at night okay, there was a motorist in fayetteville that saw people at a rest stop about 45 minutes after the fire with the children inside a car okay, that's what the eyewitness report says uh hotel staff.
Speaker 2:In charleston, west virginia, a woman claimed she saw the children with two men and two women of italian descent who wouldn't allow the kids to speak okay, okay sightings in texas and florida.
Speaker 2:Um, from 1946 to 1950s. Multiple tips came in, including one from a woman in st louis who said martha was in the convent, was in a convent there, I guess. Uh, 1968 was that family picture that said, uh, louise sauter, I love brother frankie. Um, that was in 1968. Um, that was pretty much it. Everything else is pretty much like you said, accident of fire or like mafia political retaliation, for some people were saying child trafficking, but that's I mean, I feel like and I and I wouldn't really say it was that. It's more along the line. Well, fit for me what the story that fits for me is. The dude was saying stuff about musolini who was like a fascist or whatever not fat, he was a whole like dictator and everything and he had to vote people for him and everything.
Speaker 2:And it's crazy because you know you escape that from the hometown or the area that you live. Try to run away from that, but it's still in the area Over here in the US and people were still like vouchers or believers.
Speaker 3:They're still believing, or like supporting, or like praising, or whatever.
Speaker 2:That's crazy to me right there. Or like praising or whatever. That's crazy to me right there. And the fact that you have developed people to the cause well, to that cause. It's insane because somebody like that would do something crazy to people.
Speaker 3:They would. Yeah, I mean that's a radical mind, yeah there you go.
Speaker 3:That's an extremist mind right there, that's that Nazi mindset, bro. The fact that you said about people seeing the kids, still I I don't believe it and I don't like it because there's been other cases where in recent cases where, like, the kids go missing, like, let's say, just not necessarily to disagree, but the kids go missing, people will phone in saying, oh, I saw your kid over here, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And then they go and talk to the people like no, I just want to they admit, just making it up Like I don't know what the fuck be going on with people. But people like Right being a part of something they have a business.
Speaker 3:Exactly, they love that. I don't understand why. The other thing is if they song with people right, maybe this is just me. Like I said, I'm just speaking from an outside point of view. If they're walking us, you know, if they're walking us like out in public, I start screaming. Like you know.
Speaker 2:Like If you're being like, If I'm being like Killed captive or something.
Speaker 3:I start we're in public. Like we're in public, like obviously they're keeping you alive for a reason, like they need you alive for a reason. They need you alive for a reason. I'll start screaming. They kidnapped the fuck out of me, hell, hell. I'll start screaming. That's just like I said. That's just me personally. I don't know if it was them, I don't know what they told them, I don't know if they had them threatened or whatever, but I just don't see them taking that risk of walking them publicly or showing like, in a sense, you know, just like, well, yeah, just walking with them publicly.
Speaker 3:I feel like that's too much of a risk If you are kidnapping them or like sex trafficking or whatever you're doing with them.
Speaker 2:I feel, like that's too much of a risk to just have them out and about like that.
Speaker 3:I saw that they said there was italian plws in west virginia. Oh, oh, personal words.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it says, during world war ii, west virginia housed italian prisoners of war at various camps and they said there was one about 50 miles from awful there okay and they said many plws were allowed to work in local communities on farms and projects, meaning some were walking freely in towns during and after the war.
Speaker 2:Oh, and it says, a few of them were like pro musolini even after italy surrendered in 1943 oh shit okay so even with like them, like still being for that cause or whatever their belief, or whatever you want to call that, and to have that dude Talk smack about Mussolini, they still like. Yeah.
Speaker 3:They don't like it. Yeah, I mean like I said, but that's just part of people like Radical mind. Radical mind, but it's just For them. They was probably like you know. We'll do this To honor Mussolini, and Mussolini doesn't even know nothing you know, not even on the radar and shit.
Speaker 2:I saw that Fayetteville and West Virginia State Police refused to cooperate.
Speaker 3:No, explanation was given.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, so George and Jenny begged J Edgar Hoover to investigate and Hoover actually responded saying he would help if local authorities requested FBI assistance. And how would you say? I'm trying to look up to like why the FBI wasn't involved.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was going to look up to like why the FBI wasn't involved. Yeah, I was going to say I got that the agency climbed to investigate, citing that, citing it as a local matter. That's crazy they just say like no, it's a local matter.
Speaker 2:Even though the police wasn't trying to help.
Speaker 3:So I don't know, bro, that for me is like it's it's a whole lot of foul play.
Speaker 2:I don't understand why the fbi wouldn't want to help why they would reduce it to like well, then again, like it was an italian family, I'm sure like you're right, you're right, you're right. You would have a lot of prejudice like I don't mean to be that guy, but I mean if things do tend to be a little bit more for another group or other ethnicity or race or whatever over another group I didn't think about that You're right you can kind of see that.
Speaker 2:Especially in town, especially in that time where you have people that are just like I need to protect my people. I really don't care about them people or those matters.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I didn't think about that. That's a good point. That's a really good point.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm just, saying the facts he just that's just the way people thought back then.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that is that is that is that. Has a naive thing about that.
Speaker 2:What else was there? That's pretty much it, right. Mm-hmm right. I mean it's a fucked up thing that happened to them sorry, I'm trying to no, you're good yeah, that's pretty much the whole eyewitness thing and the whole entire case pretty much.
Speaker 3:I mean throughout the whole thing. It just looks like it's with the person that actually found him cutting the ladder, that's you know gone completely gone uh the vehicle's not working. The vehicle's not working. Water was frozen, but I feel like you know you it could have been cold. It could have been cold, you know it's, it's you know, but it's still, I feel like I mean, what can you? Do you know it's the water, that's his nature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wouldn't really count that as anything.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I wouldn't call it, but the ladder, the car that's starting the phone line, the phone lines, you know the firefighters not wanting to help the chief not wanting to drop the truck, the chief not wanting to drop the truck. Crazy to me. It's crazy. It's so much foul play, it's so much.
Speaker 2:Them planning evidence or organs to try and mislead people into thinking yeah, we found something, but it turned out to be.
Speaker 3:That was not the case. Yeah, the police were trying to just blow them off. It's insane. Like Reverend said, it was a different time. Uh, like reverend said, it was a, it was a different time. But I mean, it's just, it's. It's crazy to think that they will allow something like that yeah, it's a.
Speaker 2:It's a crazy case and the fact that they went missing it's kind of like that's the most fucked up part.
Speaker 3:It's sad in a sense, bro, because I mean there were still kids. Yeah, there were kids and everything and what.
Speaker 2:What gets me is the fact that they wouldn't hear the kids leave or didn't hear them well they?
Speaker 3:I feel like I fell asleep.
Speaker 2:The mom fell asleep, let them play with the toys, the christmas toys, whatever. But you would think, as a parent, you would hear because, bro, they had 10 kids that, but that's the thing.
Speaker 3:They had 10 kids and maybe they were just so used to always noise and you know, stuff happened like like, like the mom, she, you know she let him stay up because you know it's the older sister, you know they're having a good time and honestly, I mean it's not like um, you know you're not expecting that, you're not thinking, you know maybe I should stay up because they're probably gonna break into the house and you know they're living their life and I feel like that that's another, that's another big thing. I feel like, because they were trying to say like they had, like um, mob ties or like they had, like you know, done stuff with the mafia and stuff like that. I feel like if that was the case, I mean like he'd be more alert or more alert or more like, even if he kept it on the down low, you know he might have just been more alert. But I feel like they were just living their life. They had a good, happy life. I don't feel like they were.
Speaker 3:They had, I don't think they had any like problems with anybody, honestly, and just a radical mind. You know someone just not stable, just not thinking they seized the opportunity because you know, when she came down at 1230 and everything was lights on the windows weren't I mean, the blinds weren't drawn and stuff like that she didn't even think nothing like crazy, because you know she was just okay. You know they just went to sleep. The oldest is sleeping. You know the kids are gone. You know like they're gone to sleep. You know that's not. I don't feel like it's normal for them to mind be like, oh my god, someone took my kids. You know, especially, they're living their happy life like if their life was constantly. You know they're constantly doing shit that they're not supposed to. Yeah, I feel like, okay, yeah, you gotta be checking your kids 24 7 kids is crazy to check up on.
Speaker 2:But in my humble opinion, bro, the mom is gonna check and make sure all the kids are there, like in my, my experience yeah, mom and uncle was like no matter what our cousins and us. Like you know, they'd come around before everybody goes to sleep. They'd stick their head in just say good night type of thing, just something real quick. Okay, I see him, him, him. Okay, they're good. Let me go in the girls room. Him, him, him okay and uh, you know, just do a quick count off, I guess.
Speaker 3:In a sense I feel like, if that's me personally, I feel like you know, because obviously like I do it and I only have one, kid you know, yeah, yeah, I know she's in the bed, but you still want to check everything, but every so often I would go check make sure she's good, make sure she's sleeping right her, no blankets in her face, no pillows over her face make sure she's not tangled up, or or just something crazy like, oh, like, it's just that parent right mindset or instinct to constantly at least go check.
Speaker 2:So I feel like I'm not saying that she's the blame, but I'm saying like it's crazy how four or five of them would go missing before.
Speaker 3:All of that would I feel like I feel agreeing with you what you're saying. I feel like also she's they kind of got too comfortable, like also relying on the kids. Just you know, all the kids keep track of each kid, like you know. Like that, that's what I'm feeling, that's that just.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, like I said, I don't know what happened, but I'm just saying, like kids in charge yeah, I just feel like, like and then they'll fall asleep because yeah, like like for me, my mom would be like what's your brothers?
Speaker 3:like like she's not taking from me, she's like what's your brothers? And like I don't know, like one's here, one's over here, one's there. So I just feel like they got to that role because they were older kids. You know, I feel like they just got so comfortable and and, like you know, we have a peaceful home, we have a safe home. You know you wake up, you don't. You know, but like to your point also, I feel like if I would see that they didn't close the blinds and turn off the lights, I would be like, hey, what the fuck y'all doing? Even if they were asleep, it was around Christmas time. I know y'all not sleeping, I know y'all not sleeping. What do y'all do? Like you said, I would go check on them, see what's going on.
Speaker 2:Again, not blaming the mom, Not you know, but it's crazy that five of them would go well, I mean in, in, in their defense. They didn't know they were missing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because the fire happened, because you know she woke up smoke everywhere and I guess within that time frame the five went missing yeah, I mean they said the fire, they were screaming for them to come out because, like the ones that got up, you know they left. They were screaming for them to come out because, like the ones that got up, you know they left and they were like screaming them to get up. Also, me, I feel like, again I don't know how crazy the fire was. At this point, me, I would have ran into the house and tried to see who I could find, or like see where everybody at. Like, you know, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2:And they said the staircase was already blocked off from the flame.
Speaker 3:Okay, there you go yeah, exactly. So I mean I mean what, what can you do? You know, as you know, they tried, they tried, they tried. I mean they tried the ladder, they tried to get in the truck everything it they, the stuff just wasn't there. So for me again, that is foul play, that is just um. Why would it be, you know, underneath, hitting somewhere, you know 23 meters from the house, like me personally the way.
Speaker 2:I don't even know. I should say this because it's not. It's not anything bad, it's just like would you rather your younger children be upstairs or downstairs in the sense of a fire happening? Would you rather them? Them be downstairs and older ones be upstairs?
Speaker 3:But here's the thing I wouldn't want my youngest one to be downstairs.
Speaker 2:That's why I was like, yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 3:It's tough. It's a tough situation. It's a tough situation, it's tough circumstances. It's tough because it's the same thing. Nobody's ever thinking of a fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or something like that, like, or something like that, I mean you're not because why would you?
Speaker 3:you know, why would you be christmas, on christmas especially? You know, on christmas, you know you're like. You know my family's here, my oldest are taking care. The man was a hard-working man, you know he's, you know he's. He worked all day, you know he. I'm pretty sure he worked on christmas. Still, you know man's just tired, you know. You just know like, my oldest are here, they're having a good time. You know that that's all that matters.
Speaker 2:You're not thinking maybe I should stay up fuck, I feel like the house is gonna catch on fire type of shit. You know exactly like but, and I guess, like all right, because you you can't say it's not gonna be be on your mind. You right, somebody comes up to your house. I'm an insurance salesman. Hey, get out of here, bro. Your house is going to catch on fire. I swear Mussolini, you're going to regret everything. You said it's going to catch on fire.
Speaker 2:Then you got somebody else saying hey, that box right there is going to catch on fire. I don't know, though I like, hey, that that box right there's gonna catch on fire. I don't know, though, I like that ladder right, I mean, yeah, I mean, you know, that would be something that stick in my head like the fuck. And then, like I'd me the way, I think I'd inspect myself a ring camera, silly goose um no, I'm just joking, you know, yeah yeah, yeah, but um, it's because that would be something that sticks in my head.
Speaker 3:That's just me the way I think, though. Yeah, because that was just the day before. Right, the way that dude? Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 2:You wouldn't have no thoughts like that.
Speaker 3:I would have thoughts, but at the same time.
Speaker 2:It's Christmas so you wouldn't want that to kill the mood, like yeah.
Speaker 3:Like, because, like I would overthink on that. But you know, like I said, like you know, I'm there for my family, I'm not even trying to think about I'm like. You know, I'm there for my family, I'm not even trying to think about it, I'm not even you know. For me, that would be like he's just mad because he didn't make a sale. He's just. People act rash, people do say stupid stuff when they don't know how to control their emotions. So for me it was just like all right, bro, bro, he's just mad, you know, because he didn't make a sale. You know, whatever, and it's Christmas time, I'm trying to be with my family, I had a long day, whatever. Like I said, I can't blame him for that. For me, I would probably be insatiable, that's it. I ain't going to give this dude my energy. I ain't going to give him my paper money, Because otherwise you're going to be picking out the window with the shotgun.
Speaker 2:You feel me, me, I know he's coming up. He's coming up here. I can feel him, matter of fact, double down, I'm doing a 48 hour one. You're going to knock the fuck out. I'm watching everything. You're going to OD on.
Speaker 3:Christmas Daddy. Daddy, it's stiff. Fuck, Pull me out your mouth. I mean it's tough. It's a tough.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, because like you said, you never know when something like that's going to happen. It's unpredictable and, like we said radical minds, you can never expect what they're going to do. One minute. They'll just look at you and say a couple things, but you would think that's where the whole thing ends and, for all we know, it probably was even them.
Speaker 3:For you know, for all we know, like we, like we don't know, that's just the stuff that they that, that that stood out, that they remember. For all we know, it was some crazy dude that was just walking by, saw the kids sleeping, somehow, somehow managed to get them out the house and maybe the fire was really just an accident, you know the kids getting out the house is just crazy to me I don't know that's. I don't know how that happened. I don't know how like if it was could.
Speaker 3:Hey, I don't know how that happened.
Speaker 2:I don't know how.
Speaker 3:Aliens Could. Hey, no, I'm just joking them fucking bigots. You know. But you know we don't know. We don't know what really happened. All we have is what they remember was stood out to them Before we know it. It wasn't even nothing, nothing to do with what they think, would think happened.
Speaker 2:You know, that is crazy, bro, like the fact that stuff shit, the fact that stuff like this actually happens is just crazy to me.
Speaker 3:Like oh, somebody would do it. It's even crazier like don't fight somebody who actually would do it. And on christmas, and on christmas come, on now. On Jesus' birthday, come on now.
Speaker 2:That shit is crazy to me. I don't know, though Y'all, let us know what y'all think. Let us know what y'all believe or any theories that you might have, or any interesting facts that you might have, or details that we might have missed, tell us and let us know Messages at Cosmic Cove, at KOSMIC underscore C-O-V-E. Be sure to like, follow us. I would say subscribe, but I've not been posting on YouTube. Sorry y'all, I've been slacking. Youtube is the bag. According to everybody, youtube is the money bag.
Speaker 3:The bags where they got the most sensors.
Speaker 2:Right, the bag. Yeah, for real, they give the bag, but they do have so much regulations and rules. I thought TikTok was bad but, like I said, thank you so much for listening, thank you so much for always tuning in, thank you for all the returning listeners. You know we really appreciate you very much. Thanks again for getting us to. Oh yeah, we got to a thousand downloads. Oh yeah, we're at a're at 1,000 downloads.
Speaker 3:Fuck it.
Speaker 2:Fuck we popping a bottle right now. Fuck it, we're about to go to the club. We're about to pop a champagne. Fuck it. Bring the sign.
Speaker 3:I'll put it on red. Fuck it, Fuck about now, man. Fuck all that shit. Man Put the whole check on red.
Speaker 2:I'll sweetly but, like I said, thank you all so much for all the love and support you all continue to give us. Thank you all for liking the TikTok videos. If any of you are listeners and then watch us on TikTok, you know we had a special guest lined up. We had a couple special guests that were supposed to show up but things happened. So we're going to have to push back on the special guest episode and probably have to find some other people or do something, do something different. Damn fucking cable. I might have to, just unless we can find somebody. I'm just going to try. Maybe do something different. I don't know yet, but we getting fucked up but I don't know.
Speaker 2:But, like I said, thank you so much for tuning in everybody. You know we really appreciate it. Shout out to my girlfriend, you know, thank you for always supporting me and being there for me. Shout out to my cousin, pepe, for always listening. Shout out the man sammy sosa, for tuning in every week. You know I really shout out, big shout out the check's only gonna come in because y'all keep listening, that's all I'm gonna say but, um, thank y'all again so much for the love and support y'all give us.
Speaker 2:You know, thanks for the follow, the likes, the shares on tiktok, for everything. Um, that's pretty much it on my end.
Speaker 3:You got anything oh, just shout out, shout out the fam shout out, uh, shout out, saying, saying so. So really, that man it's, it just feels good Just watching the man live, because this man just be Like, what are you laughing at? He's like the podcast, that's right.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised he actually Picked it up and likes it, bro Me too, bro Because. He has like a.
Speaker 3:He's very picky about the stuff he be he be listening to. To Bro, this man, I gotta send you a video of him. Like he's just dead. I was just laughing like through, like by him. I'm like sam, what the fuck you laughing at, bro? He's like oh, the podcast. You feel me. You feel that shit. We gave me fucking hard as shit. You ain't the only one. Everything it just feels good. You know that.
Speaker 2:You know whenever there's a funny moment. I'm like damn I know he heard this funny moment I know, sam Sammy Sosa laughing at this right now, because I am. That's it Exactly.
Speaker 3:I know he's going to like this right here. I made this joke just for you, just for him, just for him to have a chuckle. But just shout out and everybody, of course everybody still listening here, supporting us here for the shenanigans.
Speaker 2:Just thank you honestly. That's pretty much it.
